Former Mod Burgess Admits: Yes, Demodded for Being Unprofessional

Not one, not two, but three tipoffs lead me to this story. They just keep bringing me back in~

Last week on CE, Burgess responded to some questions and revealed that there are quite a few mods who are pretty bad at what they do.

Since that last part was probably sarcastic (although not untrue), I asked Burgess to weigh in and tell us specifically which mods he had in mind. The reason this piece is a bit late is because there has still not been a response after a week. Same goes for Krystal, the former community manager who had a hand in demodding him. Krystal has often, falsely claimed I don't care enough to get enough sources for my entries, but then typically throws up her hands and says other people care too much about the site (also known as the "lol I was just trollin, you 2 srs" defense after losing an argument). Which raises the question: is this an admission that we care more about the Gamefaqs community than a former community manager?

By the way, in that same topic I had the chance to ask Error about unprofessionalism and whether Joel or Allen had a talk with him yet - as promised here by an employee of CBSi. Of course, nothing's happened on that front. Here's what Allen's been doing instead, and in a surprisingly unexpected fashion. When he said he'd take over Krystal's duties, it looks like it happened in more ways than one...

Here's Mr. Allen's dismissive reaction to when a mod revealed private account information. It's a little hard to follow because - surprise surprise - Allen eventually caved and recognized the mod WAS out of line, so he deleted the mod's post. If he'd left the issue there we'd be fine, but then he decided to systematically go through the topic and punish the user for complaining. Note that Allen considers it trolling when he got called a kid offhand, but only after he suggested himself that the user should grow up and act like a man.

Because Allen is a busy man, yet not busy enough to avoid going on a deletion spree against completely unmarked messages just because he got annoyed by a user on a message board. But at least we know Allen responds to PMs.

Today's A Good Day

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GUAC News 8/6/15: Error Unprofessional / wally Bets His Account / Mods Being Mods

Just a few small updates posted for posterity.

Error's Posts Unprofessional

Yesterday Gamefaqs held an AMA with three of their staff members, which can be found on Team Gamefaqs. During the last session, SomeLikeItHoth managed to bring one of lead mod Error1355's unprofessional posts to the attention of a higher-up on CBSi. 

Here's the post in question, as captured by Hoth:

Of course we don't expect much to change but previous mod removals have surprised us. Who knows? Maybe Error's mouth will get him in trouble one day.

wally Account Bet

Board 261's resident mod wally has placed an account bet, which we can't resist posting here.

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DONALD TRUMP 2016

Mods Being Mods

Also from 261: typical mod topic closures and general laziness, in a topic asking users what three things they'd want to do if they were in charge (I guess the moderators didn't like the answers).

This usually happens when mods have been called in to a board they don't usually pay attention to, and are just too lazy to mod multiple messages, so they just say the whole topic sucks and punish the TC by closing down all discussion with a button. Of course the creator of the topic has no control over who posts what in his topic, but the mods do. If there are violations of the terms within a topic, the responsible thing to do is to mod them so that users have a reason why their messages were censored and have a chance to dispute. Sometimes mods can't be bothered to do this though, or the argument that the messages are violations is very weak, so instead they just shut down all discussion while calling the TC names and insulting everyone in the topic. Just another day on Gamefaqs.

Community Manager Discussion Kicks Off...With Admin Blocking Discussion

Will there be Gamefaqs community input on Krystal's replacement? Probably not.

Courtesy of "the mod bias monitor" - a user who was warned for making a topic about the next community manager - comes this tip:

Allen later walked back this comment and said he was only talking to Krystal, who's under a non-disclosure agreement. Yet if this silencing was only meant to apply to Krystal, why did he lock all topics on the discussion and why were other users warned for starting new topics? The wording of the message itself is pretty clear it's meant to apply to everyone, since "any discussion" is, well, pretty much anything between two or more people, not just Krystal. For what it's worth, here's Krystal's comment about her termination before Allen told her to zip it:

More of that trademark condemnation of entire boards and some of the most active message board users on the site. Apparently the numbers aren't up to snuff for the higher ups, possibly due to things like staff hostility towards users or the site's trigger-happy moderation system driving people away, and Krystal's defense against this data was that her bosses simply don't understand how much the userbase sucks. With an attitude like that, it's really hard to see why she was let go. Said no one ever.

Anyway, since Allen seemed to distance himself from his early crackdown you can try to start a discussion on this subject and see how it goes. We'll keep monitoring it here. In the meantime, also be aware that posting a picture of Krystal that she herself provided a few months ago is now considered "harassment."

Krystal's Gone, and I'm Actually Sad To See Her Go

In a surprise decision - but not really, when you think about it - Krystal109 is no longer our community manager. Some would say she never really was. Krystal (also known as Stephanie Barnes, for you future employers doing an internet search) has appeared several times in this blog. Sometimes because we had a complaint, other times because the users at Current Events and other boards were upset with her performance. But I have to say, I was always cautiously optimistic or at least neutral about her overall. For her work as a FAQ contributor and behind the scenes I have no reason to criticize her. In fact I think she did an all right job keeping moderators in check, even though that's a little anecdotal. As for actually managing the community...a lot of users simply believed she wasn't cut out for it.

Krystal started off by making quite a few flubs that we've discussed here before, and she wasn't exactly known for professionalism or good grammar. One easy suggestion: please learn how to use the apostrophe correctly. Please. As for her interactions with the message board community, it seemed like a train wreck early on. This experience probably led her to post less because it just didn't seem to go well whenever she became involved in an argument. Krystal started off assuring us that she could deal with the criticism and trolling that came with the position, but those assurances appeared to be directly contradicted whenever she lost her temper and "had a meltdown" as some called it.

A quick summary: telling users it would be fun to troll everyone with her new powers and either close their board, or make everyone a mod for a day and watch the chaos. Telling users she wouldn't date a black person because of "cultural differences," a subject that's questionable for her to raise in the first place, and also a similar view that got a mod dismissed a few months earlier. Constantly closing topics she didn't personally like, even though she was supposed to be discouraging mods from abusing this same function. Misleading and belittling users when they started to complain that a moderator had stolen multiple accounts from other users - an accusation that turned out to be true and something that she knew was true for several days. Yet instead of waiting for the site's main admin to return and deal with the situation, and instead of simply declining to comment until the accusations were sorted out, she went out of her way to imply that long-time users were lying or pushing a "BS" conspiracy theory while calling some of the critics "whining babies." Declining to update the gamefaqs social media accounts on a consistent basis, until users began to call out that she had promised to make this a main part of her job. Possibly a decline in board traffic.

Whatever the reason, Krystal is no longer with us. I'm a little sad because despite her faults she did seem to do some things right, like mod oversight. As for the rest of the nonsense she did, I guess I'm also sad that we won't have this source of entertainment around anymore.

Perhaps the most telling verdict on her performance:

Finally, some additional testimony:

"She rarely updated the GameFAQs OFFICAL Twitter and Facebook except for when Hothlin called her out on it...She was good at bringing the community together at hating her though" -ToPoPO

"I remember when she first got hired she proclaimed to have thick skin and that's one of the reasons she was hired. Over time it was quite evident this wasn't the case." -WaterLink

"i had perhaps five or six interactions with her, and none were positive. the one that sticks out most in my mind is when i took 30 minutes out of my day to submit feedback on the beta for the new site UI, and i got back a reply from her that was nothing short of f***ing bristling. no "thank you for taking your time submitting feedback, we appreciate your interest in helping to make gamefaqs a better place" or anything gracious like that, just a temperamental message that amounted to "you opinion doesn't matter, our metrics show everyone loves the new UI." then the redesign went live and everyone lost their s***." -Mecha Sonic

"Right from the very beginning she spent so much time f***ing feeding the trolls on CE. Many users warned her that any thing she posted would just get trolled to death, since that's the nature of CE but she didn't even take that advice. But the fact that she needed to be told in the first place was already a death knell. What kind of professional needs to be told not to feed trolls, let alone someone who gets the job of COMMUNITY MANAGER, someone who should be intimately familiar with the community. It's clear she wasn't even familiar with interaction on the internet, let alone understanding GameFAQs' community." -4chan

"She did some good things, but she also put her foot in her mouth too many times to count. I feel kinda bad about CE treated her, but she treated a lot of CE with contempt as well, making it easier to dislike her. I didn't dislike her myself, so I'll just say that she was average." -PerseusRad

"'Wait, she bumped the topic to start and talk s*** and then closed it immediately after to get the last word? Wow that's pretty damn low, even for her.' she sounds like a 15 yr old teenage girl based on that topic. It is the equivalent of 'mom I hate u!' and then closing the door" -DomoArigatoMr

"She was absolutely miserable and made wrong steps at almost every turn" -Littlegator

"It's possible to be an authority figure and involve yourself with the community. She was just really s*** at it, was thin skinned as hell, and would troll and make petty spiteful comments when people would post their grievances. She was s*** at her job and it was a mystery how she even got it in the first place." -3rd_Best_Master

"for how much she made a big deal about running the gamefaqs twitter, she really let it go to s***. as a community manager, she was very hostile, offensive and let people get under her skin way too much." -D-Lo_BrownTown

"The problem is that she had no idea what the community was like. If you're going to be a community manager, you should at least have lurked for a month or two before being given the position. It was obvious that she had no clue about the community here, and people spoke up. But instead of listening, she just locked topics and banned people for not liking her. Glad to see her gone." -mfwahwah

I wonder if the higher-ups at Gamefaqs ever think about what inspires people to make site messages, lengthy blog posts and entire videos slamming the way Gamefaqs is run. Maybe in the future it'd be a better idea to have a community manager who listens, instead of calling long-time users a bunch of dumb babies.

Back by Popular Demand: DO NOT BLASPHEME!!

We return from the depths of Gamefaqs to demonstrate that, despite a lull in the action for the past several months, some moderators remain just as eager to clamp down on dissenting voices as ever. This time: opposition to the founder of Islam.

Is it just me? No, it's not. Many liberals on board 261 have already noticed that some people make a career out of smearing Christianity as the source of all problems, but criticism of Islam is severely lacking. Not only is there near total silence about it, but the far left goes out of its way to silence people who do speak up because not supporting a religion somehow makes you the same as a racist.

So I propose to the curious in those topics: the reason you don't see a liberal criticize Islam, at least on that board, is the same reason you don't see a lot of conservatives: the far left censors them. Offensive, hate crime, blasphemy, whatever you want to call it - it's just not allowed. Challenging any other religion besides Christianity is just mean. It's not fair. So you just can't do it.

Off to the source of my message. In a topic titled, "Prophet Muhammed warned us of ISIS" we were treated to a puff piece based off a Huffington Post writer's strange conspiracy theory, where Muhammed the all-knowing and kind philosopher knew ISIS was going to happen thousands of years later and he was so mad. He was mad because he knew they were just a bunch of fakers who would act like Muslims in their fasting, rituals, and so on, but were actually not doing what Islam demanded of them.

"The Quran would not go beyond their throats, meaning they wouldn't understand its essence at all, merely regurgitating it selectively. The Prophet then went on to describe these people as "the worst of the creation."

Meanwhile in reality, you might remember that Muhammed was famous for spreading belief in his cult through the sword. If he had a beef with ISIS today, it'd probably be a disagreement over how to kill the infidels. You might also recall that the two big sects of this great religion, the Sunni and Shia, arose not from religious disagreements but were an argument over which warlord got to take up the sword after Muhammed. A political struggle that has continued for centuries and with a lot more barbaric terror behind it than one group like ISIS can manage.

Here's my message:

2015-07-03 01:44:47: Prophet Muhammed warned us of ISIS
Mohammed was a butcher. He was talking down to moderate Muslims, not ISIS. He is describing people who do rituals but not the physical violence and conquering he stood for. Mohammed's definition of "heinous deeds" was probably being homosexual or a woman in public with no chaperone. He was fine with mass murder.

The towering intellect known as a volunteer video game forum moderator decided that this message warranted a suspension. Was my message history good? No, but you're gonna love why. The reason is that I had a prior warning on my account, which I appealed, which was reposted, after even a gamefaqs mod could see that it was not a violation. Yet due to the way gamefaqs operates, this warning remains attached to your account for a month no matter whether it got overturned or not. And no, you can't say anything in your defense because the idea is that you're so guilty and the mods are always so right, so there's no need.

To the administrator who's looking at this message, you might want to look at the following passages from the Koran:

2:191-193 - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" - this means against Christians (who believe in the Trinity)

2:216 - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

3:56 - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." - "in this world" obviously means through the sword and historically has meant the "choice" at gunpoint of either forced conversion, strict taxation, or death for any non-Muslim.

4:74 - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." - obviously jihad is not a lovey-dovey "internal struggle with faith" as moderates claim. It involves physical violence, either slaying others or being slain.

4:76 - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah"

4:89 - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

4:95 - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward" - are you listening? This is in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to the claim that Muhammed would praise non-violence while supporting moderate Muslims, not the other way around.

5:33 - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" - punishments like crucifixion are EXACTLY what ISIS has been doing.

8:12 - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

9:29 - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." - again, the choice of conversion, submission, or death.

These are just from the first ten verses. We could go on. This is Muhammed and his legacy, it cannot be denied.

You might also consider that Muhammed wasn't just talking about this stuff, he was waging war whenever he had the chance. "Peace" agreements to him were only temporary arrangements to survive; when his enemy was perceived as weak, or when he managed to build up enough forces for another challenge, he would take to the battlefield again (such as modern-day Hamas "truce" periods with Israel, even as they continue to call for its destruction and have only used the time of "peace" to get more rockets and kidnapping tunnels set up to kill Jews). The caliphate was meant to be a global Islamic state, where Muslims fought against everyone else until they won over the entire world. Just because they failed the first time, and are confined to extremist groups now, doesn't change what Muhammed wanted and doesn't make them any less of a threat. Especially when ISIS is now the richest terror group and is by its own admission looking to spread Muhammed's legacy with global conquest.

Who do you think Muhammed would reject as "regurgitating the Quran selectively" - the extremists carrying out all the things the book says about jihad? Or the moderate Muslims?

You might also want to look at how terror groups like Hamas frequently cite other hadiths such as the following:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)."

You might also want to examine how ISIS is following the earlier example of caliphate rulers and copying their methods. Abu Bakr, for example, was Muhammed's father-in-law and direct successor. His favorite punishment for homosexuals involved throwing them off tall buildings, a practice that ISIS picked up on. The leader of ISIS loves to refer to himself as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as well. In fact, we only wish Abu Bakr had been as merciful as ISIS. While ISIS merely does the first step and throws them off buildings, Bakr liked to follow that up with a stoning of the corpse just to make sure the message got across.

We say ISIS is backwards for a reason. It's not because they're inventing new ways to torture and kill people. It's because they're looking back on the punishments that Muhammed and his men doled out, and want to bring that brutality back.

But let's suppose you overlook these inconvenient facts and continue to disagree. Fine. But don't censor other people and tell them they can't have different opinions. Sharia law doesn't apply to gamefaqs, so please do us a favor and bugger off.

Cheerfully yours,

TaiIs82

Tanon Demodded - Best of WOT

One thing Gamefaqs has going for it is its assortment of special interest boards, some interesting, some not, some active, others deserted. It's this variety that got me into board hunting years back. Sometimes it's difficult to keep up with what goes on where, however. But fortunately, thanks to a tip to GUAC, we're happy to present the site's latest demodded user.

One of the new batch, Tanon was fairly well-known on the War on Terror (WoT) board and had a dislike for Barenziah Boy Toy, which would be his undoing. BBT has made a reputation for himself posting the same topics on different boards, to the point where some complain it's spammy. Some good old fashioned board drama erupted on board 408 once BBT's topics started to get closed and he complained about it.

On January 5, BBT posted a topic on Hellhole, "Overaggressive mod closing topics in a Social Board without any justifications.." in which he described that a mod was trying to silence him, even though he wasn't breaking the terms.

"Because the mod couldn't actually get it moderated because it doesn't violate the TOS, he/she has decided to make an end-around and close the topics instead, to avoid having any moderations be overturned."

This topic was itself closed. BBT kept up the pressure, however, and started to get attention for it. In what was almost a repeat of the bover demodding, Krystal told the user to stop complaining, nothing to see here...then reversed after talking to Allen and admitted yeah, there was something. At least this time she didn't call anyone a whining baby.

Krystal109 Posted 1/9/2015
"We have already discussed your complaints with the moderation staff and we are in a review period to see if proper action is done in the future. Whining about it more isn't going to change the past and you can only look to the future...The boards are not your complaint zone and it is disruptive to the flow of the board to constantly complain in new topics."

But she did also reinforce that unpopular messages/users aren't just going to be modded:

"You might find a user annoying, but as long as they are not breaking ToU then they are protected by the ToU. Learn to ignore people if you dislike them...we allow crossposting topics between boards. You can easily see this from topics on Poll of the Day to CE with Full-Throttle. The question is are the disruptive on a board and if the answer is no then we should NOT be closing or modding them. Just because a user is annoying is NOT a violation. If that was the case we'd have no users on any of the boards."

...Wait, did Krystal just call us all annoying? Oh well. Now for the switcharound a few days later.

Krystal109 Posted 1/12/2015
"The PM was written by my boss, who I handed over links to, so it make [sic] have some factual mistakes. That being said, Tanon did make multiple posts that were highly inaccurate and only confuse the user base and incite them against the moderation and administrative staff...We purely abide by the ToU and do now [sic] make up moderations to hit you guys. There were also other cases of false information, such as me correcting you about mods being hired by their own merit and not their home board. Overall, the posts and disputes were sent to my boss who had the ultimate call. My personal view, I never saw anything you did as threatening."

Here's an example of how fast Tanon was closing BBT's topics, this one within minutes as other users were used to expecting him, as he posted at the end to let BBT know he was giving him a hard time:

Tanon's defense was that he was just joking about some of his provocative/inaccurate messages, Krystal replied he can't say something offensive and then write it off as a joke, Tanon fired back "You are the one that told me to have a sense of humor!" (and this is technically true, since Krystal told people have a sense of humor when she was saying unprofessional things like the "vag smells" story and how fun it'd be to troll by closing boards/making everyone a mod and then watching the drama).

The reasons for Tanon's demodding, as provided by the guy himself:

"Removing your status as a moderator

Hello Tanon. After reviewing both your recent public posts and your moderation performance, we have decided to remove you from the moderation staff. You are posting things publicly that simply aren't true, and more than one post appears to be disparaging against your fellow moderators. You also appear to have taken it upon yourself to treat a particular board that you frequent in an inappropriate manner, posting messages that sound threatening as well as moderating posts (or not moderating posts) incorrectly."

along with a Krystal message

"I know that in the past that there has been concern of your pocket modding WOT, which means that you actively seek out marks on that board and give them lenient moderations or N/A's. This is why I suggest not modding a board that your [sic] frequent and instead just mark posts to let an objective part [sic] handle them."

In other words, Tanon was showing favoritism to people he knew on the board by getting accounts he liked off the hook, while punishing accounts he didn't like, even if the accounts didn't violate the Terms. To get around this he simply closed their topics because the users can't dispute a locked topic, keeping it out of any review by anyone else. It was only through BBT's complaints that the closings were investigated.

Mith, another newish mod, decided to use the occasion to make threats to other peoples' accounts if they kept up the complaints:

Tanon responded, "Amusingly what Mith posted is essentially what I posted in two threads before I was de-modded." while RavenFola replied "Are the mods attempting to scare us by threatening the ban hammer? That's pathetic."

User reactions to the demodding varied from praise to 'THE TROLLS WON!!1' Here are some of the best comments.

Hi There Hellhole, What's Up - Ohh...Ugh

We've finally found something mods are all right with!

"Have The Hitler Protocols been relaxed? Like... a lot?"

This entry referred to a Politics board topic where someone claimed Hitler would've stopped concentration camp abuses if he knew about them, the board then basically spent the next few pages responding to the troll or telling people not to respond to the troll, then someone from Politics came over from Hellhole after a few days to ask the mods why apparently pro-Hitler messages weren't getting modded despite all that time since they were marked. While we think this is just an unpopular (but who cares) opinion, we bring it up here because 1) it's part of another Politics board rush to get people punished (more on that later) and 2) the mod response was pretty bad.

gmo7897 writes (emphasis added):

While it's a touchy subject, people are allowed to speculate things of this nature. Denying the Holocaust is one thing. We aren't going to allow that unless someone has some really good evidence. However, since evidence is unlikely to exist at this point, and there's way too much evidence saying the Holocaust did happen, we're not likely going to allow people to deny it.

However, people are allowed to speculate on things that are unpopular such as this. For what it's worth, Hitler was a very smart man and a phenomenal leader. That is... until he went all bat crap crazy. He was also a socialist, which is generally all about the government taking care of the people, so there's possible credence into the thought that camps may have been better if he knew anything about them - assuming he didn't.

I'm not saying I agree one way or another, but it's food for thought either way. Hitler is quite possibly one of the most polarizing figureheads in the last 100 years or so - if not further back.

So, in short, saying Hitler was a "good guy" for what happened or outright denying the Holocaust = bad. Saying Hitler may not have been all that bad of a guy but just got a bum rep = tolerable - assuming there's legitimate backing to the claim.

What "legitimate backing" means is anyone's guess, since all the user basically said was Hitler would've made the camps better if he knew they were bad. No sources, not exactly a thesis. gmo wasn't done. Maybe the guy was right! You can't prove Hitler's totalitarian state knew about what was going on in the camps!

I'm not saying that it has to come with a link; it just has to be something that's potentially believable. Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but there's no real evidence to say that he knew what was going on. As the president of a country (or whatever his title was at the time), don't you think there would have been some pictures or something of him at these camps? There are other pictures and videos available from that time period that show what was happening.

Like I said, it's a touchy subject, but we don't really want to stop people from having views that oppose the norm.

Ha. Haha. Hahaha. Okay, mind telling me why pro-Hitler is a touchy but acceptable subject, but I was modded within 15 minutes recently for "misgendering" (using "he" or "his" instead of "she" when talking about a guy who wanted to be a girl - yes this is what they mod). Less than 15 minutes for a joke moderation that was overturned. What the heck. If you want to veer a topic off course, argue the 40s and how maybe Hitler wasn't that bad, derail a topic, go right ahead. You're awful but go on. Yet these are the same mods who go out of their way to take sides and take down unpopular opinions on current debates, arguments that should have a lot more room for open discussion than "Hitler didn't know about his own camps."

Then again we could be reading too much into this. Here's Mith explaining what the board's about.